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		<title>By: FafFledOesose</title>
		<link>http://afroz.wordpress.com/2007/05/30/on-troubling-hadiths/#comment-4402</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey )) 
its very unconventional point of view. 
Nice post. 
realy gj 
 
thx :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey ))<br />
its very unconventional point of view.<br />
Nice post.<br />
realy gj </p>
<p>thx <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: exommaomisthep</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks !</description>
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		<title>By: Cathy Downs</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Lip_loop&lt;/strong&gt;

Warren Township, Warren County, Indiana Zegveld LoÃºis TsÃ¡toumas Ozzfest: 10th Anniversary Laws of the universe Modern Theater in Japan A.C. Palazzolo 1913 East Coast Park Digital Preservation Coalition Cathy Downs </description>
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<p>Warren Township, Warren County, Indiana Zegveld LoÃºis TsÃ¡toumas Ozzfest: 10th Anniversary Laws of the universe Modern Theater in Japan A.C. Palazzolo 1913 East Coast Park Digital Preservation Coalition Cathy Downs</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 04:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Risperidone Risperdal</title>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if i had any kids i mean. and then if my parents demanded to know why not i feel i would probably have no choice but to say, look, no offence, but no thanks. 

and re: the cultural category thing - i mean that i offer it up if people want to know that kind of &#039;thing&#039; i.e. what&#039;s your &#039;background&#039;.. i don&#039;t feel it has any relevance to me personally, i just don&#039;t think in those terms. if anything, what i realised when i&#039;ve been reading lots of &#039;muslim&#039; blogs is that i just don&#039;t feel the same &#039;defensiveness&#039; muslims seem to feel about things like the Cartoons, the prophet, and &#039;islam&#039; in general. i dont feel its mine to defend. but an interesting corollary here is that on the net, with a name like sonia, i do point out that i have a &#039;muslim&#039; background/family/origin to deflect the &#039;you western islamophobe&#039; charge, which usually means dismissal of what one actually is saying. which has made this whole thing much harder to talk about openly i must say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if i had any kids i mean. and then if my parents demanded to know why not i feel i would probably have no choice but to say, look, no offence, but no thanks. </p>
<p>and re: the cultural category thing &#8211; i mean that i offer it up if people want to know that kind of &#8216;thing&#8217; i.e. what&#8217;s your &#8216;background&#8217;.. i don&#8217;t feel it has any relevance to me personally, i just don&#8217;t think in those terms. if anything, what i realised when i&#8217;ve been reading lots of &#8216;muslim&#8217; blogs is that i just don&#8217;t feel the same &#8216;defensiveness&#8217; muslims seem to feel about things like the Cartoons, the prophet, and &#8216;islam&#8217; in general. i dont feel its mine to defend. but an interesting corollary here is that on the net, with a name like sonia, i do point out that i have a &#8216;muslim&#8217; background/family/origin to deflect the &#8216;you western islamophobe&#8217; charge, which usually means dismissal of what one actually is saying. which has made this whole thing much harder to talk about openly i must say.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting site you guys have there by the way - i was reading your story and finding many commonalities.</description>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello! sorry to respond so late - I hadn&#039;t seen this comment here - we&#039;ve been talking about this ( going round in circles it seems) on my main blog &lt;a href=&quot;http://shorno.net/2007/05/27/does-anyone-read-this-stuff/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;shorno.net&lt;/a&gt;

good question. let me first say that labels were always a bit meaningless to me and one of the reasons i have  never liked &#039;revealed religions&#039;. to be honest, because i was brought up as a &#039;muslim&#039; i still think of myself as a &#039;muslim&#039; as a cultural category if you will - but not as a &#039;religion&#039;. ( i would posit that for most of my family, excluding someone like my dad who actually thinks, they believe  because it is our culture to &#039;believe&#039; not cos they&#039;ve actually &lt;em&gt;thought&lt;/em&gt; about anything.  i don&#039;t think i accept the idea of a theistic God and &#039;revealed religion&#039;.. for me, what was a problem since i was little ( this is the topic I was thinking i will write on for my next post) and definitely what i am thinking about now - is that Abrahamic religions -are highly anthropocentric. i don&#039;t buy the worship thing, and so no, i don&#039;t buy into the idea of an Abrahamic God deity figure, who sends &#039;memos&#039; to the Arabian desert ( of all places) and all of which then justifies all sorts of empire building ( well in the case of Islam straightaway) or injustices. I just don&#039;t buy this idea of God. I don&#039;t think we can know either way so that probably makes me some kind of agnostic. i don&#039;t know if i&#039;m an &#039;atheist&#039; but i don&#039;t feel i accept theism either. it&#039;s a metaphysical question - i&#039;m up for the fact that there are lots of things i know nothing about. and i don&#039;t think any of that matters to my system of ethics - so frankly, i&#039;d rather not believe in Allah or &#039;God&#039; especially this Hellfire business. I&#039;d been scared for a long time while i lived at home, so much so that i just didnt want to think about it. Seeing as i was never religious at home ( i found praying very bizarre, like some sort of &#039;stage show&#039; so i&#039;d never done it.) it was something far from my mind later. although when i was at uni in england and i met lots of british asian muslims i was really surprised how &#039;religious&#039; they were and how they talked about a &#039;khilafah&#039;. i was like, but your parents aren&#039;t around! you can go to the pub.&#039; 

but i think still deep down there was a lot of guilt - that i was being made to feel by my co-muslims, if you see what i mean. you know, being made to feel that i was lacking somehow, and that i wasn&#039;t living an ethical life etc. etc. 
anyhow, this jan. i stumbled across some &#039;muslim&#039; blogs and some mentions of slavery and concubinage. which fanned the old flames and i remembered this hadith. and all this came out of that. i think im much happier now and i feel &#039;free&#039; - i probably still will refer to myself as a muslim, don&#039;t think ill tell my family anything apart from not feel guilty when they try to get me to pray - and also ask them about slavery, and why no one talks about these things in a family context. i certainly shan&#039;t be bringing up my kids as Muslims thats for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello! sorry to respond so late &#8211; I hadn&#8217;t seen this comment here &#8211; we&#8217;ve been talking about this ( going round in circles it seems) on my main blog <a href="http://shorno.net/2007/05/27/does-anyone-read-this-stuff/" rel="nofollow">shorno.net</a></p>
<p>good question. let me first say that labels were always a bit meaningless to me and one of the reasons i have  never liked &#8216;revealed religions&#8217;. to be honest, because i was brought up as a &#8216;muslim&#8217; i still think of myself as a &#8216;muslim&#8217; as a cultural category if you will &#8211; but not as a &#8216;religion&#8217;. ( i would posit that for most of my family, excluding someone like my dad who actually thinks, they believe  because it is our culture to &#8216;believe&#8217; not cos they&#8217;ve actually <em>thought</em> about anything.  i don&#8217;t think i accept the idea of a theistic God and &#8216;revealed religion&#8217;.. for me, what was a problem since i was little ( this is the topic I was thinking i will write on for my next post) and definitely what i am thinking about now &#8211; is that Abrahamic religions -are highly anthropocentric. i don&#8217;t buy the worship thing, and so no, i don&#8217;t buy into the idea of an Abrahamic God deity figure, who sends &#8216;memos&#8217; to the Arabian desert ( of all places) and all of which then justifies all sorts of empire building ( well in the case of Islam straightaway) or injustices. I just don&#8217;t buy this idea of God. I don&#8217;t think we can know either way so that probably makes me some kind of agnostic. i don&#8217;t know if i&#8217;m an &#8216;atheist&#8217; but i don&#8217;t feel i accept theism either. it&#8217;s a metaphysical question &#8211; i&#8217;m up for the fact that there are lots of things i know nothing about. and i don&#8217;t think any of that matters to my system of ethics &#8211; so frankly, i&#8217;d rather not believe in Allah or &#8216;God&#8217; especially this Hellfire business. I&#8217;d been scared for a long time while i lived at home, so much so that i just didnt want to think about it. Seeing as i was never religious at home ( i found praying very bizarre, like some sort of &#8217;stage show&#8217; so i&#8217;d never done it.) it was something far from my mind later. although when i was at uni in england and i met lots of british asian muslims i was really surprised how &#8216;religious&#8217; they were and how they talked about a &#8216;khilafah&#8217;. i was like, but your parents aren&#8217;t around! you can go to the pub.&#8217; </p>
<p>but i think still deep down there was a lot of guilt &#8211; that i was being made to feel by my co-muslims, if you see what i mean. you know, being made to feel that i was lacking somehow, and that i wasn&#8217;t living an ethical life etc. etc.<br />
anyhow, this jan. i stumbled across some &#8216;muslim&#8217; blogs and some mentions of slavery and concubinage. which fanned the old flames and i remembered this hadith. and all this came out of that. i think im much happier now and i feel &#8216;free&#8217; &#8211; i probably still will refer to myself as a muslim, don&#8217;t think ill tell my family anything apart from not feel guilty when they try to get me to pray &#8211; and also ask them about slavery, and why no one talks about these things in a family context. i certainly shan&#8217;t be bringing up my kids as Muslims thats for sure.</p>
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